1.5beta1 various stuff

[JC Olsen]

I'll keep updating this thread with what I come across whatever it is. Take it or leave it :)

1. *fixed* I get this message when I enter the admin panel url in Safari 2.0.2, Mac OS X 10.4.3.

http://www.jcolsen.com/random/pperror01.jpg

2. *fixed, I think* After the upgrade I had to edit every photo description that had Æ Ø Å in them.

3. Not sure if this is a bug or intended that way. But admin language and template language are connected. I thought they where to be seperate. At least I would have preffered it that way. Something to consider.

4. My language files are now done translated, so to speak... Here is a screenshot of what is missing and needs to be added in my opinion. I can provide a team member the file if they want it. Not releasing it quite yet with all these bugs.

http://www.jcolsen.com/random/pperror02.jpg

[Connie]

hi!

1) netscape layer: this is a cache problem, after upgrading empty the cache and everything is ok
this came up already and is no problem

2) everything should be UTF-8
maybe some content was entered in old version with a browser who overwrote the encoding or defined the default encoding as non-utf-8?

we are more and more strict with UTF-8
please check a new entry with special characters and tell me if that is ok
the only thing in the download-version is that it still has some problems with special characters in image title, but that is fixed already in our developer-version

[JC Olsen]

Works fine once I edit the characters. It Just happend during the upgrade. No idea why, right now I was glad I didnt have that many photos in my blog :P

*first post updated... nr.3*

[eon]

3. Not sure if this is a bug or intended that way. But admin language and template language are connected. I thought they where to be seperate. At least I would have preffered it that way. Something to consider.

I have the same problem. I want to use Dutch for the front and English for the adminpages. My solution is to delete the Dutch-admin-language-file. Automatic it will choise the English-admin-language. Because it can't find the Dutch one.

Maybe it is better to seperate these?

[Joe[y]]

3) how do you mean the files are connected? are you saying the variables for templates are also in the admin files? if so, i agree that these should remain entirely separate and i thought we had released them separately.

[eon]

']3) how do you mean the files are connected? are you saying the variables for templates are also in the admin files? if so, i agree that these should remain entirely separate and i thought we had released them separately.

It would be great is you could choose in options a front language-file AND an admin language-file. Now you can only choose one language.

[Joe[y]]

It would be great is you could choose in options a front language-file AND an admin language-file. Now you can only choose one language.

oh right. ok. good suggestion!

[JC Olsen]

Yeah that's what I meant ;)

*First post updated, nr.4*

[Connie]

well, your whish for the option to choose the language and the admin-language separately is well known to us, and we will do that later.

In 1.5 it is like this:

- if you choose a language, then if an admin-language-file for that language exists, that is activated
- if no admin-language-file for that language exists, the english one is activated
- if the admin-language-file in english does not exist, an errormessage is produced

the option will come later, now we have the admin-language-files for the first time and as a former linguist and language-teacher I want to wait for some experiences with the language-variables...

in some languages you need only 2 variables, in other languages you need 3 variables to combine the text with the script-output etc.

So we are waiting with the implementation of that option and rely on the automatic until we have some experiences.

I am really astonished that there is so small feedback on that feedback, can you image how much work that was to implement all these language-variables instead of fixed text into the script?
It took me a lot of hours, and Ramin as well (did I forget somebody?)
when we have released the 1.5 FINAL, I would like to send mail to all translators of language-files and ask them to do an admin-file as well...

[JC Olsen]

Connie, we are just throwing out ideas, giving feedback, trying to help. Isn't that what it's all about? It's beta testing, and we are not mind readers. *Even though I wish I was sometimes* ;)

[Connie]

oh yes, mindreading would be great!

Don't take my postings negative, it's to inform you about the status of the development!

For sure I am grateful for your suggestions and ideas!

[Joe[y]]

JC - when I get back i'll do my best to get those areas you highlighted replaced with language variables if they're not already (some language files might not have all the variables included and therefore get replaced with the english results.

[JC Olsen]

No worries Connie ;)

Joe[y], you want my file?

[Joe[y]]

yeah - but no promises about it being changed for 1.5 - i'll look at it properly and then discuss with the rest of the team.

[eon]

3. Not sure if this is a bug or intended that way. But admin language and template language are connected. I thought they where to be seperate. At least I would have preffered it that way. Something to consider.

I will make a purpose/solution for this "problem". Can't be difficult, maybe over 3 days ready.

[JC Olsen]

']yeah - but no promises about it being changed for 1.5 - i'll look at it properly and then discuss with the rest of the team.
Files sendt Joe[y]... I'll be gone for a week as of tomorrow. I'll pick it back up when I get back home. And thanks eon.

[Connie]

I followed the thread bottomdown and found

- the option for different language-files (admin + front-end) is on the list for later releases

- the parts in admin which are not translated by language-files:

green is done
blue = how to do that / not possible
red = still open

+ "Administration for" : $admin_start_admin_1 + $admin_start_admin_2
+ "select category link format" is in a variable now as well: $admin_lang_optn_catlinkformat_select
+ "Set new sizes" is the variable $admin_lang_optn_thumb_size_new now

?? the calendar-options cannot be translated in my opinion, as these values are interpreted by the script how to present the calendar. If it is in different languages, how to use that for a check?
any suggestions to that?
?? "you are running.. " comes from a text which is read from PP-server and not produced by the script
?? the rest of the english text comes from Addons and we did not translate Addons until now.
that is a problem, because if that are Addons which are released with PP, we could guarantee that they are using admin-language-file-variables and that these variables are in the admin-language-files.
but how to guarantee that for secondparty-addons?
I do not know
?? "choose file" is system-text from the browser, "no file selected" as well

- pass_recovery.php, view_addons.php and view_info.php are not translated yet, I see hmm...

[eon]

@Connie
?? the calendar-options cannot be translated in my opinion, as these values are interpreted by the script how to present the calendar. If it is in different languages, how to use that for a check?
any suggestions to that?

A solution could be that you use instand of values like "horizontal" or "normal" numbers.

"0" for no calender
"1" for normal
"2" for horizontal

Than you can link a name in difference languages to the numbers.
This is how I should do it.

The same solution for the category-options.

[eon]

I will make a purpose/solution for this "problem". Can't be difficult, maybe over 3 days ready.

If solution is coming I'm will not put time in it.

- the option for different language-files (admin + front-end) is on the list for later releases

[Connie]

eon, I was also thinking of something like that, but pure numbers are not good, it is difficult to think abstractly sometimes..

but you confirmed me:

"1 - language-variable"
"2 - languagle-variable"

so we can do that!

will check out tomorrow how to do that, thanks for the idea!

yes, and this language-file-option: it will come in the next version after 1.5, I am quite sure, so don't waste your time!

[GeoS]

/index.php @line 792 (CVS) "Filter" is not language variable :/ :P

[Connie]

GeoS,

What do you mean? I do not understand it

[GeoS]

That is button caption which shows up in archive template.

It isn't language depending variable but static text sitting in source code.

[Connie]

thanks for the hint
I will go through it this evening!

[JC Olsen]

I'm back, but just got out of the hospital for eye damage (Iritis) so I cant see good atm. Meh... Going to rest my eyes for 2 weeks. Joe[y] you got the files? Sorry I can't read much and check the thread. This stuff took me almost 5 min to write and hurts like fuck. I'll be back later when I get better.

[Joe[y]]

I'm back, but just got out of the hospital for eye damage (Iritis) so I cant see good atm. Meh... Going to rest my eyes for 2 weeks. Joe[y] you got the files? Sorry I can't read much and check the thread. This stuff took me almost 5 min to write and hurts like fuck. I'll be back later when I get better.

yeah files recieved and processed fine! thanks.

good luck with your eye.

[eon]

Good luck with your eye. I hope you are still capable to make photo's in the future.