no "padding" for image and thumbnails in IE?

[-okapi-]

exploring pixelpost templates, i became aware of a special problem with internet explorer 6:

IE seems not to understand the "padding" of the image and thumbnail style, so there are no spaces between navigation thumbs and also no space between the image and the border.
for me this looks quite ugly.

with firefox the padding works perfectly.

reviewing sites powered by pixelpost i find that nobody seems to have found a solution for this.
as i wouldn't want to go back to table design, i would be interested if anybody knows how this problem could be solved.

[raminia]

Please, do some search in forum before creating a new thread.
see
http://www.pixelpost.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=175&highlight=padding
and you can see my pblog.raminia.com as an example that the problem is solved.

Good luck,
Ramin

[-okapi-]

i'm sorry for that...
of course, i did a search, but i couldn't find a related topic. for a newbie to a forum it's sometimes not very easy to find the right keywords for a search...

thank you for the hint and the link, raminia!
unfortunately this particular thread doesn't cover exactly what i'm trying to achieve... it's about thumbs with the browse_template, but my problem actually is with formatting the navigation thumbs with the image_template.

what i've learned in the meantime is, that as IE doesn't care about "padding" for images, one have to use "margin" instead. this seems to work both with firefox and IE.

the remaining problem is, that if you want to highlight the current thumbnail with a border (.current_thumbnail), a "padding" between thumbnail and border still doesn't work with IE, only with firefox and maybe with other browsers too.

the same issue can be reproduced with your site, at least as far as i can see.
with firefox, the thumbnail navigation looks nice, exactly as expected, but IE doesn't show any spaces between "current_thumbnail" and it's border.

my aim is to make my photoblog exactly look the same with IE 5.5 - 6, firefox, opera and netscape 6.0. and maybe it's splitting hairs to discuss the apearance of a border in different browsers here... ;)

actually i'm learnning and evaluating what can be done with pixelpost, because i really like it's unique clean and modular structure.

[Connie]

my aim is to make my photoblog exactly look the same with IE 5.5 - 6, firefox, opera and netscape 6.0. maybe that's splitting hairs.

well, I whish you good luck because that maybe could never be accomplished :cry:

I learned to live with these differences especially with the bad css-interpretation in IE, Microsoft stole so much of my life time already that I am not willing to look for workarounds for hours or weekends :cry:

I am a Opera-person and working with Firefox as well, controling with Mozilla, some Netscape etc.... but IE is never the browser for me (even if millions of people eat shit I don't eat shit...)

[-okapi-]

Microsoft stole so much of my life time already that I am not willing to look for workarounds for hours or weekends

oh yes, connie...!
and this is our own precious lifetime, by the way! the funny thing is, that solving a problem that we actually wouldn't necessarily need to have, makes us even happy for a day! this is really wierd! and this is also really "virtual", in a bad sense.

a reason for having so much trouble with layout and different browser behaviour IMHO also might be, that we have too much ambition to realize desired layouts in a pure and strict tableless way.

what a joke to get stuck to the purists cliche, while the serverside software we use, cms or php driven blogs and galleries, self-evidently make use of tables everywhere in the code, while we fools struggle with our strictly tableless templates on the surface!

the same with pixelpost, by the way, and that's ok! i think, we have to calm down and relax a little bit, trying to find the right balance between capabilities, visions, technologies and standards and everyday user reality...

i can't help, but sometimes such a luscious sexy table looks like a pretty good thing for layout purposes...
:D :D :D

[raminia]

Sorry that I didn't realize completly what you mean at first. :)

I have a statement for weblog template (as well as photoblog templates):

"Every template could be updated untill the judgment day, even if there would no such a day! Stop updating your template as soon as you started to satisfy a tiny bit!"

:D

I'm always fan of Tables and I managed my weblog all within tables but my photoblog is not on the basis of tables. BTW, I don't care so much about different appearace in different browser unless it gets catastrophic.

Good luck,
Ramin

[jnetty99]

I also saw the thumnail fix but it's not what i wanted.

My thing is fixing the main image because it has no padding and it comes out on IE.

Any tips on that?

www.jnetty.com/photoblog

[Zlato]

[quote].... but IE is never the browser for me (even if millions of people eat shit I don't eat shit...)

Hi again Connie,

i'm disappointed the way you talk and about your language, i've read you in a previous post when you tell somebody to say "hi" and "thanks", and this time I agreed with you.

But now it's to much, for 2 reasons :

I'm using all browsers you are talking about and I don't feel like a "shit eater" about using IE, even if it's not the best browser today, as Pixelpost WAS not the best photoblog at the beginning and started to become ONE of the best today, thankful to your efforts ( first of all your's and Ramin's and all other developpers on this forum ...)

Pixelpost is here to show daily posted pictures (and only for that, you said for good reasons few months ago) , take by us all, for whom ?

You and me and all the super-clever users of Opera/Firefox/... ?

Or for EVERYBODY including shit eaters like my 64 years Mother (sorry for that Mom...) or all these people that are not concerned by developping and "the better is this or that", "Apple is better than Microsoft", "AMD better than Intel" and so on...

Why can't we stop that stupid "war" and just try to do our best to be just everywhere the best way we can do ?

I'm really angry about your words, but I hope you know that i see all the work you've done until today and I love it...

"Sans Rancune" we say in french

:)

[Zlato]

...and finally think about Flash developpement and all the world of good and bad browsers will stay quiet and run gently...

:D

[Connie]

Zlato,

you are right and my words my sound rude

but sometimes my temperament comes out.

I am working with the Internet for 13 years now, writing HTML and CSS etc.
I was one of the first in Germany

can you imagine how many hours this IE, microsoft attitude, costed me already? How many efforts? Trying to work standard compliant, trying to do it right and then they just don't support the standards or even kill it?
Combined with the market power...

I am not a "clever Firefox-user", arrogant or something, I am just tired of all that working which must be done additional because of InternetExplorer which does not it's own standard

that makes so tired sometimes, and furious as well

prastitie minja :cry:

[blinking8s]

its not really an arguement of browser issues, its an issue of web-standards...like previous pixelpost development, the browser world adheres to the internets growth in a very sloppy style, computer illiterate people dont update their software...leaving designers and developers with a wold of coding workarounds to make everything compliant on one browser...

as for "flash development" which design firms I have worked for deal witha lot, it adheres to many issues as well, mainly between mac and pc but with different browsers as well sometimes, the major downside it cant be indexed by search engines...

as for the templates, the best solution, make your own...

if you have any specific xhtml, html or css code questions about why a design is breaking or not functional in certain browsers, im sure we can help you easier

[-okapi-]

connie wrote:

can you imagine how many hours this IE, microsoft attitude, costed me already? How many efforts? Trying to work standard compliant, trying to do it right and then they just don't support the standards or even kill it?

this is absolutely true.
i understand that sometimes one can get emotiontional regarding issues with IE (especially css related ones).

most of you will know this site quite well:
http://positioniseverything.net/explorer.html

these bugs take thousands of people hours and days of their livetime.

don't take one sentence too serious, Zlato.

[blinking8s]

we have a lot to thank IE for though, it revolutionized internet browsers as we know them today...

it just...took a wrong turn somewhere?

[-okapi-]

we have a lot to thank IE for though, it revolutionized internet browsers as we know them today...

it just...took a wrong turn somewhere?

of course, as there are always two sides of everything.