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First, since there is such a graceful requirement to validate, about validation:
I think, that validators are machines, and they are a good reference but they are not an absolute reference. Anyways, I don't want to argue but only mention ahead of time that my css does not validate because of the opacity elements. There. Phew!
Now, the reason I'm posting is to get more than 2 opinions about peoples' interest in simplistic templates. And I really mean simplistic. I do not, however, mean unfunctionnal.
My template was modded with php addons and my own code, not only html and css. Most of the design (if any) was done with css and html. I do use js but it is degradable without big artistic loss and certainly without functional loss. Also, the site was tested with IE and FF from Win and Safari from Mac, it should look good in most browsers, but I can't be sure.
So, tell me what you think.
http://glimpseatlife.ca/pblog/
Oh, almost forgot, I use pixelpost 1.4.2 (yes, I'm stubborn and do not want to upgrade:D)
dankster
06-20-2006, 04:38 PM
it has almost no style.
Joe[y]
06-20-2006, 06:13 PM
i like the about page but that's about all really. for example, the contact page is a totally different design to the rest.. it doesn't really fit in.
i like the browsing for previous and next on the image though - but that's nothing new.
jgrayson
06-28-2006, 01:50 AM
please don't take any offense by this but i think the main reason why your site isn't validating is because the coding is really bad. the site doesn't even work in safari. the main page shows the top nav and main photo justified to the left (i believe it is supposed to be centered in the browser). the photo title rollover isn't working. i click on the main photo and the comments appear for a spilt second below the photo, then disappear and the main photo doesn't change. i click on the thumbnails page and all i see is a black box with only a few images that appear when i rollover them but then turn back to black..... then my browser crashed big time.
you are the only pixelpost blog that has ever crashed my browser.... in fact, i think you are the only site to ever crash my browser.
and for the record, safari can handle transparent/opaque styles.
please don't take any offense by this but i think the main reason why your site isn't validating is because the coding is really bad. the site doesn't even work in safari. the main page shows the top nav and main photo justified to the left (i believe it is supposed to be centered in the browser). the photo title rollover isn't working. i click on the main photo and the comments appear for a spilt second below the photo, then disappear and the main photo doesn't change. i click on the thumbnails page and all i see is a black box with only a few images that appear when i rollover them but then turn back to black..... then my browser crashed big time.
you are the only pixelpost blog that has ever crashed my browser.... in fact, i think you are the only site to ever crash my browser.
and for the record, safari can handle transparent/opaque styles.
None taken. Now I'll know how to use my website against people I do not like...
As for the crashes, check your computer, because I tested my site on Tiger/Safari and it worked like a charm. If you have older versions, all I can say is UPGRADE. I appreciate the detailed description but I have not noticed any of this behaviour with IE/WinXp, FF/WinXp and Safari/Tiger OS X. Pretty chaotic, the way you describe it. Doesn't look to me like a code problem.
As per validation, I never believed in standards. So I really don't give a poop if a somebody says my site is not conformant to some rules he made up. Every browser interprets rules in the way it's coders felt like, so the best site is not the one that validates by a program, but in real world testing, that is partly the reason I posted here. I can't physicaly have tested it with every piece of hardware and software possible. Besides, there are too many standrads to validate against XMLS, HTML, CSS, CSS2, CSS3 etc.
Anyways, thanks for the feedback.
jgrayson
06-28-2006, 05:14 AM
As for the crashes, check your computer, because I tested my site on Tiger/Safari and it worked like a charm. If you have older versions, all I can say is UPGRADE. I appreciate the detailed description but I have not noticed any of this behaviour with IE/WinXp, FF/WinXp and Safari/Tiger OS X. Pretty chaotic, the way you describe it. Doesn't look to me like a code problem.
i'm always running the latest software.... in fact, i updated to 10.4.7 this afternoon right after it was released.
are you running 10.4.7? if not then maybe there's an issue with safari in 10.4.7.
when i get a chance later on i'll take some screen captures on your site so you can see what i see.
john
cbtoday
07-15-2006, 06:07 PM
I think it's not bad at all, I have no idea why they think it's no style. I just dont quite like the font, other than that, it's good.
Less is more.
jimhere
07-16-2006, 07:44 PM
The tumbnail page freaks out my Safari, too.
jgrayson
07-17-2006, 03:06 PM
The tumbnail page freaks out my Safari, too.
it's still crashing my safari.... and on two different machines.
Thanks guys, for not abandoning me. I will try to change things around and will post when I think it is good. Thanks again, since I don't have Safari at home, I could only check my site quickly at an electronics store and didn't have time to load all pages and click all the links.
...to follow...
I would like to ask people who have macs to test my thumbnails http://glimpseatlife.ca/pblog/browse/. I have removed one of the two things I suspect may have crashed Safari. Since it's a little hard for me to test on a mac, if you guys could help it would be greatly appreciated.
jgrayson
09-01-2006, 04:46 PM
I would like to ask people who have macs to test my thumbnails http://glimpseatlife.ca/pblog/browse/. I have removed one of the two things I suspect may have crashed Safari. Since it's a little hard for me to test on a mac, if you guys could help it would be greatly appreciated.
nope, safari still goes boom.
good news is that is doesn't crash firefox on the mac but i guess that's because your site won't even load in FF on the mac. all i get is this message:
"redirecting you to
'a glimpse at life'"
and nothing else. if i go directly to http://glimpseatlife.ca/pblog/ i just get a blank page. but that page works fine in safari.
OK, this is probably the last thing I could have done, I have removed the hover image transparency. Could somebody please test this page http://glimpseatlife.ca/pblog/browse/ on Mac and tell me what it crashes now?!!
Thanks guys, I'm really becoming desperate.
kristarella
10-14-2006, 04:54 AM
As per validation, I never believed in standards. So I really don't give a poop if a somebody says my site is not conformant to some rules he made up. Every browser interprets rules in the way it's coders felt like, so the best site is not the one that validates by a program, but in real world testing, that is partly the reason I posted here. I can't physicaly have tested it with every piece of hardware and software possible. Besides, there are too many standrads to validate against XMLS, HTML, CSS, CSS2, CSS3 etc.
My sites don't validate but I try to get them as close as possible. Why? Sometimes the validation picks up errors that you made that will actually screw up your page on other people's machines. Sure if there's a bit of javascript or some opacity css that doesn't validate then what can ya do? It is good to ask other people if it works on their machines as well but it's also kind of lazy to only ask other people and then wonder why some things are crapping up when a simple validation could tell you.
Do current browsers even use CSS and CSS3? I thought the latter was still in development. Really, just do CSS2 and HTML and XMLS.
Anyway, now that I've had my rant. Your site seems to work in FF on Linux. I like that one half of the pic goes to the previous and one half goes to the next image but it's not necessarily intuitive, especially if you are on the front page and clicking but keep getting the same image. Perhaps you could put some kind of hover indicator?
I like that one half of the pic goes to the previous and one half goes to the next image but it's not necessarily intuitive, especially if you are on the front page and clicking but keep getting the same image. Perhaps you could put some kind of hover indicator?
Ok, I have added a help link which gives a hint about the navigation process, and I have added keyboard navigation.
I still am, however, wondering whether my site crashes anybody's browsers. Please tell me if it does and give me the exact specs and situation of the crash. Thanks.
janickg
10-17-2006, 04:07 PM
If your code validates, you wouldn't have these problems - the standards are there for a reason - and it isn't just one individual's preaching.
If your code validates, 99.99% of all browsers are going to interprete your page as it should look, and NOT crash.
If your code validates, you wouldn't have these problems - the standards are there for a reason - and it isn't just one individual's preaching.
If your code validates, 99.99% of all browsers are going to interprete your page as it should look, and NOT crash.
You wanted validation - I give you validation. As far as my site is concerned, every page validates for both HTML and CSS. I still wanted to know if it crashed some browsers, because you 99% is worth nothing in the real world, with IE7, FF2 Opera 9 and other smaller browsers like Maxathon making their own rules.
Anyways, if anybody finds a problem just let me know so I can fix it, thanks.
luckyfinger
12-05-2006, 04:14 AM
Hi,
Nice design, love the simplicity. The navigation arrows are not showing in my browser, the functionality works however.
Using latest firefox.
Hi,
The navigation arrows are not showing in my browser.
He-he, I guess I'll have to consider them, since they are not even coded for, by arrows I meant arrow keys on the keyborad:D
Thanks for your input. I have firefox, too, so we're two now how have no problem with my site.
like many people said i don't think it has a persistant style, all the pages look different to me, they could just aswell have been different sites.. I also really think that if you're going to use the half / half navigation of the image you should atleast make some transparrent arrows that can go on top of the image or whatever, because its really kinda hard to know for many people that it works as nav.
and to kristarellas post, i totally agree.. i also do my best to get it as close to being xhtml / css valid, but i really think people do it to too much of a deal.. i don't think you should let xhtml / css validation restrict you... you can easily have a site that works fine in all major browsers that isn't valid.
like many people said i don't think it has a persistant style, all the pages look different to me, they could just aswell have been different sites.. I also really think that if you're going to use the half / half navigation of the image you should atleast make some transparrent arrows that can go on top of the image or whatever, because its really kinda hard to know for many people that it works as nav.
and to kristarellas post, i totally agree.. i also do my best to get it as close to being xhtml / css valid, but i really think people do it to too much of a deal.. i don't think you should let xhtml / css validation restrict you... you can easily have a site that works fine in all major browsers that isn't valid.
As for the xhtml/css - I started this thread with the idea that people make the web, not standards. Especially not the erratic ones that exists now, with all those developers thinking they rule the world.
About the design:
In a way you are right, in a way - not. I think people in this world are those who like a design, and those who don't care about it. I consider myself from the former, yet you say I'm from the latter. The absence of complexity - is a design. The simple fact you don't see graphics or complex positioning does not mean my site is generic. Coherence - the way you define it, may not be present, yet for some reason I think your thought is flawed. Anyways, I posted to get feedback, as much positive as a negative one. So thanks for you input.
Oh, almost forgot! The arrows. If you would have read the my answer to the post above, you'd see I'm considering them. Moreover, I don't even know how to to do this overlay, wanting it to be strictly outside the image itself. On a final note, accessibility is not a design feature, it's a functionality of the website.
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